Transcript: Controlling Stress with Dr. Camilla Moore

Controlling Stress with Dr. Camilla Moore

Sandra (00:01.262)
Welcome back to the long game podcast. We are kicking off 2025 on the right path, taking your life back, stress less, live more. That’s going to be the motto. Today’s guest is going to share with us how to replace scattered self care with a clear system to manage your busy life, protect your health.

and excel at your business so that you really do enjoy your life. Camilla Moore looks beyond surface level stress to its root causes using Harvard proven strategies that cut out burnout symptoms by 40%. So let’s go into this year armed with some tools to make us better, better to ourselves, our families, and our businesses. Welcome to the podcast, Camilla.

Dr. Camilla Moore (00:55.178)
Thank you so much. Thanks for having me.

Sandra (00:57.166)
I’m so excited for this conversation, right? Like we all know about burnout and how it affects us, but I mean, I really just think it’s so timely. 2024, such a hard year for so many people in different ways that, you know, I wanted to have this conversation now to set us off on the right foot, right? And one of the things we talked about in our pre-call was a little bit of like, there’s some short game strategies and some long game strategies. And I really love that like your work isn’t about

Dr. Camilla Moore (00:59.294)
Yeah.

Sandra (01:26.232)
quick fixes or trendy tips to do. It is real digging in so it creates lasting change.

Dr. Camilla Moore (01:34.612)
Yes, absolutely. And so, you we have these things that we can look at on a daily basis that we can change. And we know a lot of these things are helpful to us, but really, you know, there are unique stressors to owning a business, particularly if you’re in the service industry and you’re and you, you know, and I use service industry as like, you know, physical therapists, chiropractors, health coaches, you know, if you are working with a client or a patient, there are unique and running your business, there are unique stressors that go with that.

And so there has to be unique approaches to help manage that. So when we look at stress and we look at burnout, one of the first things that we do is very helpful to define what both of those, what each of those are, because there’s some common misconceptions and the reason it’s important to define them is so that we know how to recognize them and then what to do about them. So there’s three terms that we see common.

intermingled a lot with the stress and burnout space and that is acute stress, chronic stress, and burnout. And oftentimes we think that burnout is just chronic stress and those two things are related and you’re going to see some overlap but they’re very different. So I think it’d be helpful to just define those, do you? So yeah.

Sandra (02:47.798)
Yeah, let’s hop into it. us the overview and then we’ll kind of go through some things.

Dr. Camilla Moore (02:53.052)
Acute stress is really like you driving to the office or driving to a kids game, you get cut off and all of a sudden your stress goes up. You white knuckle it, you get afraid, your heart rate goes up, yes. But that car passes you and your stress level will go back to baseline.

Sandra (03:04.728)
Swear words.

Dr. Camilla Moore (03:12.499)
That’s an acute stress response of something that we perceive to be a threat or something that was a threat. And it’s important to understand that our brain does not make a distinction between what we think is a threat and what is actually a threat. So that’s where our thoughts really can drive a lot of our stress. And things like imposter syndrome can start really having a measurable effect on our stress. Chronic stress is when you have multiple acute stressors over and over and you don’t have that time to recover.

And so what happens is you have that physiological response of your heart rate increasing, your blood pressure increasing, some sweating. And so that physiological response doesn’t have time to calm down. And so over the course of days, weeks, months, and years, we can see those acute stressors that add up turn into actual disease. And so that’s where we see in the medical research, we see that long-term stress has a real effect. You have an increased risk of

Type 2 diabetes, of high blood pressure, of cardiovascular disease, of sleep disorders, of mental disease, all of those things are result of that stress. Yes. Burnout is an environmental issue. Burnout is very different. It is when we are giving of ourselves and that is not being reciprocated, it is not being accepted, it is not being appreciated or heard or seen.

Sandra (04:17.976)
Constant irritability.

Dr. Camilla Moore (04:36.147)
So we feel like we are constantly giving and giving and giving and that is not being acknowledged or appreciated. And so it’s a much more emotional part. So you see that in the language.

Sandra (04:45.23)
That is so interesting because you think it’s a culmination of working too much, but it’s really this emotional response.

Dr. Camilla Moore (04:56.07)
Yeah, it can be and there’s no there isn’t one thing but what we do know about burnout is that it can happen. One, it happens over a period of time and two, it is a product of a culture and we have to understand that as business owners we create our own culture and so if you are getting if you are constantly giving to your patients if you’re constantly giving to your staff and your employees

Sandra (05:13.282)
Right, right.

Dr. Camilla Moore (05:22.601)
but you’re not getting back from practice or getting back from your business, the emotional components that you yourself need, then that’s where you’re gonna start really feeling that burnout.

Sandra (05:35.928)
So I love that you really define that because I didn’t really realize the difference between chronic stress and burnout. Those have become cultural terms that we just burn out, right? We just use that and throw that around a little bit. So that’s really interesting. I do want to also point out on your website, you’ve got a free quiz with how stressed are you? And I think that is really interesting because it’s like, where do we start to figure out where I fall in this?

Right? Like, how do I identify it?

Dr. Camilla Moore (06:07.187)
Yes, well and you know and that’s where we recognize it’s stress and we recognize that burnout is a significant component of not just our physical health but our mental health as well and you know there are some statistics that show that physicians visits have up to 90 percent of them have a stress component to them so we know that this is real.

But there are very few actual assessments to say, you know, this is where we are and they do have, you know, a burnout assessment questionnaire that if you went to probably a clinical psychologist that they would provide that for you. But as far as like kind of a day-to-day temperature check, we don’t have a whole lot to do and so that’s where we end up just kind of pushing forward and pushing forward and pushing forward because we have very little

We have very few resources to show us otherwise.

Sandra (07:02.264)
Well, you know, it’s so interesting with that push forward too, because my mind immediately went to like 10 years we can be pushing forward, right? Like, you know, you have families and you’re, you know, the sandwich generation, whether it’s the kids or your parents, you’re still doing and caring, plus running your business, plus making time for yourself in that all along. like there are, that stretch can really feel like a length of time and be a length of time.

Dr. Camilla Moore (07:08.809)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Camilla Moore (07:30.526)
Yes, absolutely. you know, you can, it’s interesting because burnout has traditionally been discussed in the workplace space. And when we started researching it back in the 70s, like it was actually started being researched on caregiving professions. So doctors, nurses in the healthcare field, like that was actually how it started. But.

Sandra (07:50.786)
Right, right.

Dr. Camilla Moore (07:54.528)
If you zoom out and you look at 2024, right? We’re talking about 2024 and how that’s been very challenging. Life in 2024 is very different than 1970, and in particular for women. And so what we see is that, yes, women are part of the sandwich generation that you’re talking about where we are caregiving for our own children, but also beginning to care give for our parents.

And not only that, if you have that business, if you’re running a business and you’re running a household and you’re trying to manage all these caregiving roles, that is the recipe for burnout. So we see that concept of burnout transcending from the workplace into our actual lives because you are the same person no matter where you are.

Sandra (08:38.85)
Yeah. Yeah. And I love how the research started there, but everything evolves and now it’s applying to us in different ways because, you know, our whole, our whole being has evolved, right? Like women have moved into so many ownership levels, but we still haven’t, shaken.

taking care of the house and the home and the kids and you know, not that that’s everyone’s experience, but it is a big part of it. Like those are still layers of things that we experience. are some things that we can do? know, okay, we want to shake it off. I want to shake off all of that. mean, we had 2024 was economic, election, were all these stressors that we had. And I feel like, you know, we’re gonna…

Dr. Camilla Moore (09:26.431)
you

Sandra (09:28.734)
step in now and we have the opportunity to be aware of it and to take control of it a little bit. Get out in front of it now. Most people do take some downtime at the holidays, so hopefully you’re coming back into the year a little refreshed. And how do we not let that build up?

Dr. Camilla Moore (09:48.288)
So I think it starts, you know, as we were talking about with an assessment and I think that I, you know, I love the transition from one year to the next. I’m not a huge fan on New Year’s resolutions because I just, I just don’t love that. But what I do appreciate is being able to look back over the year and reflect and say, okay, you know, what went well, what worked, what do I want to carry with me into the new year?

What would I like to leave behind and let go? And then, you you set your goals and expectations for the year. And that reflection part, that’s your assessment, is being able to really sit back and look at what were the things that you had to let go of that you maybe wanna bring back? What are the things that you want to let go of that you don’t wanna carry with you? You know, whether that is down to the specifics of…

specific services or specific coaching or even just people or relationships. Yeah.

Sandra (10:47.854)
Thank you. Thank you. I was thinking like certain clients may have not been the right fit or you know but it’s so interesting because sometimes we look aside from that because the economics of things so it’s the

Dr. Camilla Moore (11:03.881)
You know, it’s one of the lessons that I learned in my private practice, which is, you know, we create our practice, we create our business, and we create our client base. And the way that you do that is by being authentic to who you are and understanding that that is going to attract some people and is going to reject some people. And that is okay, because what you are creating is you are creating your own culture of your clients or your patients.

with a similar authenticity and a similar set of values. So it’s okay if you have to let go of patients or clients or customers. It is okay because what is gonna come back in that place is something with more authenticity that is more in line with your values. And it’s the concept of weeding, right? You’re just gonna weed. when you weed, we’ve had big organic gardens growing up. So like weeding was a part of my childhood.

And so when you weed, what you’re doing is you’re making space and you’re creating room for the good stuff. And then you add the fertilizer and you add the water and you allow it to grow and you’re gonna get abundance of what it is that you.

Sandra (12:05.934)
Yes.

Sandra (12:18.648)
Such a great analogy. So let me ask you, because a thought that came in while you were speaking was the authenticity piece, people apply that to social media to put themselves out there and have their visibility and help to gain their or build their population, their following, their audience, all of that. So.

Dr. Camilla Moore (12:42.461)
Mm-hmm. Their audience.

Sandra (12:47.018)
That though is a stressor in itself to me. You know, we see that as a stressor. how do you think about social media and how do you approach it in your practice and what you do?

Dr. Camilla Moore (13:01.875)
Yeah, so I would question for each of us that social media has its unique stressor. For some people, like myself, it was hard to put my… And I’m active on Instagram, I’m on there every day. Well, and so that’s the point, is that the idea of putting myself out there was a huge challenge for me.

Sandra (13:16.014)
And every day there’s the stressor. Right, right, right.

Dr. Camilla Moore (13:28.723)
But at the same time, I knew that was something that I needed to address in order to have what I wanted, which was a successful business in this space. And so what I ended up doing was working with a coach and she has helped really improve my confidence getting it, getting it going. And it’s not a stressor so much anymore as it is just a way to reach my audience. And so much of whether something is a stress or not stress,

can be shifted with our perspective. And remember that our brains perceive stress whether it’s real or not. So we can change our perspective and change the intention of what we are doing so that it feels more authentic to what we are doing. I never wanted to be an influencer, but I do want to reach my audience because I have things that can help them.

So that is what drives me to create content and it comes from my gut of like what can, you know, what do my people need? And that was one of the things my coach said. She says, you have to show up for your people. You have to show up for them. And that resonated with my service part of the brain, you know? So yes, it can be stressful. I also like, I do it, I put it away, it’s done. I’m not scrolling, I’m not on it because it is a part of a bigger picture for me.

And that’s really, think for us, those things that are holding us back, those stressors that are holding us back from what we want, we have to look deeply into what is it that is really intimidating about this, that is really scary, and what are we afraid of, and address that root cause so that we can remove it and grow, because that’s what it’s all about.

Sandra (15:13.314)
Yeah, and I think.

It’s sort of a reframing of it as well. As you were speaking, was like, you just reframed that so well for yourself. Instead of being scared and stressed by it, I’m showing up to serve. And we’ve heard that before, but it’s the, you just have to do it. You just have to do the thinking of it for yourself. Because sometimes too, I feel like you can have a conversation with your coach or another business owner to help you move through it, but you do have to do the

Dr. Camilla Moore (15:18.066)
huh.

Sandra (15:45.936)
hard look for yourself at.

Dr. Camilla Moore (15:47.136)
And Sandra, that is actually, you know, that is 100 % correct. Like what you’re saying, because we often jump from the negative thought to the reframing, but there is a space in between those two things that is actually the key to the whole thing. And that is you have to start understanding the root fear of those negative thoughts that are holding you back.

and you have to become accepting and okay with that. So with a lot of the social media, and I could just talk about myself, I was super afraid that people were gonna make fun of me and I’d be totally rejected and all of those things. Those kind of, yeah, but they come at almost this innate juvenile place where like,

Sandra (16:30.838)
insecurities.

Dr. Camilla Moore (16:38.612)
You know, you’re back on the playground and you don’t want people to make fun of you. And like that has carried with me for 40 something years. But addressing that root fear is then, then you’re able to reframe it. But you have to address that hard work first. And when we talk about things like imposter syndrome, that’s the magic. Like it’s not Justin constantly trying to convince yourself and reframing on the surface.

You’ve got to get down to that deeper level before the reframing actually kicks in.

Sandra (17:11.726)
And I think your first step of reflection really helps you do that as well because it’s the, do I want? How am I gonna get there? And like, for me, it’s the, no, really, how am I gonna get there?

Dr. Camilla Moore (17:24.507)
Yeah.

Sandra (17:25.506)
You know, like it’s not just this surface level exercise because when you really want to get there, you’ve got to get real about the path and what you are willing to do. You know, I was with some girlfriends at a business retreat this past week and like, you know, we were talking at one point about like,

go be a waitress somewhere if I need you know what I mean like it is like my family is so important to me it doesn’t matter right like you do what you have to do and it it’s applying that same idea like we were kind of like if if I didn’t have success like what would I do like I don’t care I would keep I would do what I had to do right and that

Makes me think in this term too, like what do you have to do to be successful, to get to that goal of your business that you’re setting for yourself this year? Because I feel like people, there’s that cushion place where they’re like, I’m not really challenging myself necessarily because I’m in my comfort zone, but I want that. I want that other thing, but I’m not, you know, they’re not taking the deeper steps to get there.

Dr. Camilla Moore (18:27.625)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Camilla Moore (18:34.238)
Yeah, and you know, it also does help to realize that nobody has it figured out. Nobody does. Like, if you think they do, they don’t! Because we’re all in this life learning the same lessons and some people are just forging ahead and busting through the wall without, you know, without knowing what’s on the other side and

Some people are just intimidated by that and either one, that’s okay, but you have to understand that like there is no special sauce. Like it really is just deciding that this is something that you’re going to do, that you can do and moving forward with it.

Sandra (19:19.118)
So we had also spoken about how perimenopause and some of that can come in because you know when we talk about setting your goals and how stress can come into that like sleep is affected by this right like we are feeling off kilter not necessarily ourselves at the time so can we also talk a little bit about you know I mean

Dr. Camilla Moore (19:25.065)
Yeah.

Sandra (19:46.902)
I know when it’s stressful times, like sleep is one of the biggest factors. And we’ve talked about that, how your sleep is affected. You’re waking up in the middle of the night. Your mind is running, all those things. But also when you’re in perimenopause.

I’m just waking up now. So can we kind of go into that a little bit as well and how that, what are some tools we can use to help us get a better night’s sleep so that we are more refreshed, so that we’re feeling more on and able to reduce some of those stress levels?

Dr. Camilla Moore (20:02.175)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Camilla Moore (20:17.588)
Yeah.

Dr. Camilla Moore (20:21.417)
Well, it’s such a loaded question and it’s a great question. But I think sleep is always the first thing to go. I mean, it just, is. But it’s also arguably the most important because it is when we can recover, it’s when we replenish, it’s when our memories get consolidated, it’s when learning happens, it’s when we heal, it’s when we prevent illness.

Sandra (20:24.846)
Could you just solve the world’s problems of perimenopause, please, in this one conversation?

Dr. Camilla Moore (20:49.374)
And so it is, but it is one of the first things to go because it is driven by hormones. so as, hormones, the definition of a hormone is a small molecule that has a widespread effect. That is the definition. And so when you have multiple hormones that are driving these normal bodily functions, one of them being off kilter,

can cause this cascade effect where all of a sudden we’re completely out of whack. And when we look at perimenopause and menopause, estrogen is such a, and testosterone too, are so important to our wellbeing that as soon as those start to falter and those levels become different, then our whole sense gets out of balance. And it affects our cortisol and it affects our sleep and it affects our melatonin. So,

There with the perimenopause group in particular, there are two areas that you want to focus on. One, get in to see your doctor and not just any doctor, see a menopause literate doctor. They are usually women and they are usually menopausal themselves and so they went through it.

Sandra (22:02.05)
Yeah. Right, and yeah, rather than being dismissed, you know, you’ve heard so many stories about you’re fine, you’re normal, everything’s in the normal realm.

Dr. Camilla Moore (22:11.899)
Yes, there’s two big influencers that are physicians that are talking in the menopause group, Dr. Vonda Wright, who is an orthopedic surgeon, by the way, and Dr. Mary Claire. so both of them, their stories are that they really started when they themselves went through perimenopause and menopause as physicians.

and were so disappointed with the care that they took it upon themselves to figure it out and bring it to other people. And so, yes, I mean, it’s still, you’ve gotta find the doctor that’s going to take you seriously, that is going to run some tests, that is going to listen to your symptoms because a lot of that perimenopause and menopause is driven by symptomatology, not so much lab work. So like, you have to have someone that’s willing to listen to you.

So getting those hormones under control, that is job number one because everything else is dependent on that. The other side of that is we can do what’s called sleep hygiene. And what that is, is it’s setting yourself up for success for sleep. And these are lifestyle changes. So the things like getting exercise every day, the recommendation is 150 minutes of moderate to vigorous exercise every week.

And so that comes out to about 30 minutes of either fast walking or something that gets your heart rate up five times a day, five times a week. Women also need strength training. We should be doing that two to four times a week, know, heavy weights. I’m a huge fan of kettlebells. The Pilates is great, but you need to challenge those muscles with weights and flexibility training because as we age, that movement is going to really save us.

And if you think about the other two aspects, right, like something cardiovascularly and something lifting, those two things are dependent on our range of motion. And so if we don’t have our range of motion, then we are not actually activating those muscles in a way that is most beneficial. So we can talk about that. I can hear you like…

Sandra (24:06.796)
Yes.

Sandra (24:19.534)
my god, I wanted to like dive in because you know, the flexibility piece is the piece I personally struggle with. I am, I walk seven days a week. I’ve got a yellow lab who needs exercise, right? I’m at the gym with a trainer three times a week doing heavy lifting. And it’s interesting, one of the things we talk about there is like, we’re doing this so that, you know, these things are the…

the movements you need to pick up groceries as you age, to do all these things, right? I’m not there to become a bodybuilder and just like flex for functional pieces. And that’s why we do a lot of squats is sitting down and standing up from a chair. To be able to continue to do that into your older years without assistance, right? But the flexibility piece is one I’ve been saying to myself, I really need to keep working on and, know, but.

Dr. Camilla Moore (24:47.827)
Yes, the functional training.

Sandra (25:12.566)
I’m busy. I’m busy. already wake up at 5, you know, 20 to get stuff done to get to the gym three days a week. I’m like, where, you know, like…

Dr. Camilla Moore (25:16.543)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Camilla Moore (25:20.937)
Yep, so rotate it, you know? mean, instead of looking at your timeline from week to week, look at it from month to month and get some of that flexibility in during a flexibility week. Those recommendations on the week is just a timeline, but really when you zoom out and you look at your life in its totality, the most important thing is that you’re getting it in.

So if it’s too cumbersome to look at it day by day, week by week, hour by hour, then just zoom out a little bit and do four to six week classes or four to six week intervals of what you wanna do and have that be your schedule. The other, yeah.

Sandra (26:02.318)
That’s such a good point, the Zoom out, because we are just like stuck in the day, stuck in the week of what’s happening with everyone’s schedule. Really good point.

Dr. Camilla Moore (26:10.429)
The other super easy way to kind of check a couple of boxes is with a weighted vest, to walk with a weighted vest or just put it on during your normal day. Like if you’re picking up the house or if you’re doing laundry or you’re doing yard work or whatever, having that extra weight on you is building muscle and you’re training in a functional way because you’re carrying that weight.

while you are picking things up, while you are getting out of the chair. So it’s a great way to just check a couple of boxes and it won’t take any more time than what you’re already doing.

Sandra (26:48.398)
Yeah, I’ve seen some people walking with that and I’m like, such a good idea. Such a good idea. Right? right on. So I want to also shift back to another idea that you touched upon in terms of small business that I’ve read about you speaking about is embracing technology.

Dr. Camilla Moore (26:52.032)
They’re very trendy right now. They’re very trendy right now. Yes. Dr. Von der Reit recommends them.

Dr. Camilla Moore (27:04.233)
to sleep.

Sandra (27:18.186)
to help us reduce stress, things like automation and all of these things. So can we focus a little bit now on business owners?

using technology whether it’s AI or different systems to be able to help reduce that stress right because lean I mean one of my favorite sayings for my clients is lean on your tech because it will help you it will do things you’re one person right so how can we lean on our tech a little bit more but not just in a productivity way but in a way to put us at ease and help relieve our stress level a little bit

Dr. Camilla Moore (27:58.858)
Well, think one of the main features of a successful business, I think, is multiple streams of revenue. And one of those is going to be passive, or a few of them are going to be passive. And so when we look at creating those passive income sources and how much time and energy it can take into creating a course or creating an e-book or creating something, some tangible service that our clients or patients

can take with them. That’s where leveraging things like AI can really help because it decreases the barrier of entry into those resources. And it allows us to automate everything that we could do. And I’m a huge fan of automation. understanding email automation and being able to write one newsletter and post it on LinkedIn and post it on your…

Facebook and have it go out to all of your clients and patients like that could take less than you know 30 minutes once a week and you can reach everybody all at once so that means that you could leverage AI to help you write it you know there’s chat GPT which is the big one but I love Claude AI and I love Claude AI because you can create projects within there and I have to understand like it’s not cheating it is and so if

The worst way to use that type of technology is to type in a prompt, have it spit out an answer, and cut and paste that into an email or a newsletter. You have to look at ChatGPT or Clot or whatever you’re using, I forget the Microsoft one called Copilot, as an assistant.

Sandra (29:33.505)
Yeah.

Dr. Camilla Moore (29:44.296)
And so there’s going to be a lot more editing than there is generating. So they’re generating the content, you are doing the editing. You are constantly revising so it’s in your own voice and it’s saying what you want. And at the end of it, you’re gonna have something that you are really proud of that sounds like you wrote it. That’s where your time comes in, is that you don’t have to generate the content, you just have to edit it.

Sandra (30:06.52)
I think using AI at the beginning, like you’re referencing, it takes away that stress of the blank page and the cursor blinking at you because you can start with a prompt and say, all right, then I’m using my own. I do love Claude as well. And one of my favorite things about Claude is that for those who don’t know, when you have a project, you can upload your own material. So.

Dr. Camilla Moore (30:15.615)
Totally. Totally.

Dr. Camilla Moore (30:29.652)
Yes.

Sandra (30:32.448)
It can take, it can create from your own ideas. You’re not even creating from something out on the web. It’s pulling from your own material, your own transcript of a call or anything like that. it helps you get started and then you can refine.

Dr. Camilla Moore (30:52.382)
And if you think about, right, because your question is about how technology can help alleviate that stress and burnout, if you look at it from that perspective, having those solutions decreases the stress of doing it, but also that barrier of entry and the quality of it. And so all of a sudden, and the time, yes, because time is our greatest currency, but it also can just generate so many ideas for you as well.

Sandra (31:10.582)
And the time, time.

Dr. Camilla Moore (31:20.071)
And so when we talk about burnout proofing your business or burnout proofing your practice, these are the things that we go through with my clients of, right, what are your ultimate goals? What are your financial goals? What is your lifestyle goals? Like, do you want a lot of passive income? Do you really enjoy groups? Do you want one-on-one? Like, what is it that you want, right? It starts with the goals. And then we work backwards from there to say, okay, what for you is the most stressful part?

What for you in your business, if you could eliminate one thing, what would you do? And so that’s where you end up really, if you filter through it, again, it starts with those assessments that we do. If you filter through that, really at the heart of it, what you get is what your ideal practice looks like.

And so working from there and leveraging these technologies to get you there, you can do that these days with a one-person thing. You can get a virtual assistant for $5 an hour to help you with outreach. You can do those things now. And so if you understand the technology behind it, you can really leverage it to get to where you want to be.

Sandra (32:26.424)
Yeah, and you can also use that technology. It’s an employee, right? You can see technology and software to help you move yourself further along. So I’m a big proponent of it. mean, I really lean on tech in my own business and for my clients as well. And I think it allows you to go beyond what your own personal capacity is without

Dr. Camilla Moore (32:33.972)
Yeah.

Dr. Camilla Moore (32:55.816)
Yes. It’s a great way of putting it. Yes.

Sandra (32:56.194)
dressing yourself out in that way. And I think you make a really good point in that.

you can create a business any way you want. So when you start to look at it and say, I don’t want this, this is my goal, but I don’t want to do that. I don’t want to do that. I want to do this. Like listing that out because we tend to compare what other people have and it is good to look around and take the temperature of the, you know, the community that you’re in, but you can really create a business any way you want to. So why would we not eliminate

Dr. Camilla Moore (33:07.998)
Yeah.

Dr. Camilla Moore (33:32.511)
Mm-hmm.

Sandra (33:33.944)
we don’t like.

Dr. Camilla Moore (33:35.146)
Well, and Sandra, that’s where like all of this kind of ties into concepts of like mindfulness and how, you know, we talk about authenticity, but that really is a mindfulness. And so these concepts that are, you know, used in social media and trending topics, like we don’t really know how to use those, but this is exactly how you do that. And when we tie in things like meditation and mindfulness, this is how we do it, is to get to that root of

what you know removing the clutter, removing the chaos from our minds and really get to the root of who you are as a person, what it is that you are looking for and what is it that you want to accomplish during your life here in as far as your business but also your greater purpose and you know and that’s where all of these concepts tie in together and having that framework to work through it step by step is very powerful.

Sandra (34:22.638)
Purpose.

Sandra (34:33.954)
Yeah, I love that you mentioned that concept of purpose because we, yes, we all have to make a living and we’re doing this work, but everyone I know who owns a business is really doing something that they love and bringing something forward. So it’s an opportunity for us as business owners to double down on that and take out the pieces we don’t want and really get narrow on those ideas.

Dr. Camilla Moore (34:46.611)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Camilla Moore (34:59.87)
Yep, I agree with you. agree with you. Technology can be very intimidating. You know, I say this as like the technology is aging me out a little bit. But it is so worth learning how to use. if you don’t know how to use it, go to YouTube.

Which of the 20 year olds that are making the content to teach you how to do this because it’s much easier than you think.

Sandra (35:31.47)
And if you don’t hop in at some point, you really get left behind. You feel left behind now, but you’ve got to at least engage because it’s moving so quickly. It’s moving so fast. Every week there’s a new update to what’s going on in these AI platforms and things like that. So it’s like now is the time to really engage in all of that. Well, know, this

Dr. Camilla Moore (35:35.689)
Totally.

Dr. Camilla Moore (35:55.071)
Absolutely.

Sandra (35:58.73)
has been awesome in terms of giving us things to leverage, ideas to think about, and think about in a way for our next year a little bit differently. Yes, we all know, get the journal out and write, but I think you’ve really given us some strategies to consider on a deeper level that will help us make plans and better ourselves for the year.

Dr. Camilla Moore (36:08.019)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Camilla Moore (36:24.19)
and be successful.

Sandra (36:25.494)
and be successful. So thank you so much Dr. Camilla Moore for being here today and we are going to have links to your website, thewellnesscabinet.co, your stress test, your blog post, all of those type of things just so people can learn about you. You also work one on one with clients so if people want to dive in more they can follow up with you on your website and connect there. So thank you so much for coming today.

Dr. Camilla Moore (36:28.243)
You’re welcome.

Dr. Camilla Moore (36:43.166)
I do.

Dr. Camilla Moore (36:49.759)
That’s great. Thank you so much for having me. This was a great talk.

Sandra (36:54.222)
Super fun. All right, everyone, get at it. Get on it. 2025, make it your best year. All right, we’ll see you next week.